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Sam Harris speaks with Jonah Goldberg about the state of American conservatism and the Trump presidency. They discuss the politicization of federal institutions, the erosion of legal norms, the schism between Never Trump...
#460 — When the Center Cannot Hold is an episode from Waking Up with Sam Harris by Waking Up with Sam Harris. Sam Harris speaks with Jonah Goldberg about the state of American conservatism and the Trump presidency. They discuss the politici...
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Published Feb 20, 2026, 21:38 long, audio available.
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Sam Harris speaks with Jonah Goldberg about the state of American conservatism and the Trump presidency. They discuss the politicization of federal institutions, the erosion of legal norms, the schism between Never Trump conservatives and the nationalist right, infighting over figures like Nick Fuentes, J.D. Vance's political future, a theory of mind for Tucker Carlson, the prospects for regime change in Iran, and other topics. If the Making Sense podcast logo in your player is BLACK, you can
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Published Feb 20, 2026 and 21:38 long