#469 — Escaping an Anti-Human Future

Sam Harris speaks with Tristan Harris about the dangers of AI and the race to build it. They discuss the new documentary The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist , the lessons of The Social Dilemma , the arms race dynamics between AI labs, the "intelligence curse" and its implications for human political power, the psychology of tech CEOs indifferent to extinction risk, the possibilities of US-China coordination on AI safety, and other topics. If the Making Sense podcast logo in your player is BLACK, you can

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#469 — Escaping an Anti-Human Future is an episode from Waking Up with Sam Harris by Waking Up with Sam Harris.

This episode is 01:49:27 long.

This episode was published on Apr 10, 2026.

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