Wendy Sherman: Incursions, Excursions, & Dire Straits (of Hormuz, That Is)

John welcomes former Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman to discuss the war in Iran. Sherman, who led the U.S. team that negotiated the 2015 nuclear deal with Tehran, assesses the current state of the conflict as its scope widens and economic reverberations intensify; the ever-shifting rationales offered by Donald Trump and his administration for attacking Iran and their miscalculations as to how it would respond; and scenarios for what might come next, including the possibility of American boots on the ground. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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This episode is 67:59 long.

This episode was published on Mar 13, 2026.

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