Jason Zengerle: War & Peace & MAGA’s Future in the Time of Tucker

John welcomes Jason Zengerle, author of the new book “Hated by All the Right People: Tucker Carlson and the Unraveling of the Conservative Mind,” to discuss Carlson's opposition to Donald Trump's war in Iran. Zengerle explains Tucker's evolution from conventional (if contrarian) Republican to a leader of the nationalist, nativist, America First faction of the MAGA movement; how his embrace of racist and anti-Semitic tropes have only increased his influence in forging the post-Trump future of the G.O.P.; and why the prospect of him running for president in 2028 seems more plausible every day. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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Jason Zengerle: War & Peace & MAGA’s Future in the Time of Tucker is an episode from Hell & High Water with John Heilemann by Audacy | Puck.

This episode is 84:35 long.

This episode was published on Mar 23, 2026.

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