An update from Justin and Jon

Justin and Jon reconnect after a two-year podcasting hiatus. What's happened since their last episode? Lots! They talk about big changes in their personal lives, and then move on to how they're thinking about Transistor as a business. These discuss burnout and motivation, the evolution of the podcasting industry, the pressure of being a leader, and the possibility of taking a sabbatical. The Transistor team is off to Banff for their annual retreat! Quote: "Working hard does not lead to burnout, but the lack of hope leads to burnout. So if you're working really really hard for something that you don't believe will pay off, it's super easy to lose motivation. And that has happened to me in the past! But! If you believe that the thing you're working on will have a payoff, the amount of work almost doesn’t matter." – Aaron Francis Links: The last episode Jon and Justin recorded together Aaron Francis' newsletter "Everything you've been told about burnout is wrong." Matt Wensing's tweet Have feedback on this episode? 👉 ​Leave a voicemail here​ 🦋 Reply on Bluesky 📺 Watch this episode on YouTube. Timestamps: (00:00) - Who remembers how to do this anyway? (00:30) - Where has Jon been for the last 2 years? (08:56) - What's Justin been up to? (11:36) - Maybe there's more to burnout than we think (24:40) - Should we build something else as a backup? (27:31) - What need to be true for you to be happier? (33:38) - Remote work kind of sucks (39:06) - Brainstorming more ideas around connecting better (42:32) - What about sabbaticals? (51:03) - Thank you to our Patreon supporters Thanks to our monthly supporters Rewardful.com Mitchell Davis from sixsides.co Bill Condo (@mavrck) Ward from MemberSpace.com Evandro Sasse Austin Loveless Michael Sitver Dave Giunta 🎙️ Podcast hosting is provided by Transistor.fm . 📺 Learn how to start your own podcast ! ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

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This episode is 53:38 long.

This episode was published on Sep 13, 2025.

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