Catholic Mother vs DINK (Dual Income No-Kids) DEBATE: They’re Lying To You About Motherhood! *EMOTIONAL* DEBATE

I can’t believe season 3 is finally here!! And for the first episode I have two incredible guests debating the rise of the Dual Income No Kids Lifestyle and why so many women are opting out of motherhood. Is the choice to be child-free just a matter of individual freedom — or does this message also have a larger societal impact? In this episode, Lila Rose, a Catholic mother and founder of Live Action, the largest pro-life organization in the world, and Erika Abdelatif, co-host of The Dinky Podcast and advocate for the DINK (Dual Income, No Kids) lifestyle, debate choosing motherhood vs the DINK lifestyle. Together they tackle one of today’s most personal and polarizing questions: Is motherhood is ideal for most woman? We discuss the modern crossroads between motherhood and the choice to remain child-free — exploring how culture and cost of living shape those decisions, and whether it’s changing our sense of purpose. From biological instincts and cultural pressures to career ambitions, the sexual revolution, and the fear of future regret, this raw conversation dives deep on how that decision is shaping our happiness, purpose, and broader society. I hope you love today’s episode. Thank you Lila and Erika for braving this topic with one another. SPONSORS: Natuary: enter the code ELLEN for 10% off (Discount is for all products except the oxyboost - which is not discounted.) Anima Mundi: enter the code ELLEN for 15% off your first order at Anima Mundi Herbals The Empowered Birth Course: Get $50 off my course with the code ELLENPODCAST at WHERE TO FIND ERIKA Instagram The Dinky Podcast The Dinky Podcast on Spotify WHERE TO FIND LILA Instagram YouTube Channel Website / Link Tree (for podcast, resources, etc.) ✨ Discover More with Me:👶 Transform Your Birth Experience with The Empowered Pregnancy & Birth Course 📚 get my recipe Ebooks 📲 Connect with me on Instagram: @theellenfisherpodcast and @ellenfisher Elevate your videos with record-label quality music from Musicbed

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This episode was published on Oct 22, 2025.

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