With Mark Krikorian & Rod. D. Martin

Mark Krikorian, Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies Mark Krikorian and I talked about the miraculous transformation of the border from one that was insuperably hard to close, we were told during the Biden years, to one that has been pretty much effectively closed. short order by Donald J. Trump. We also talked about what is a continuing problem inside the United States, and that is, of course, the large numbers of people who came here during those Biden years and before, and rooting them out, sending them home, encouraging them, most especially, to self-deport, which is the easiest possible way to restore the integrity of our interior. We also talked a bit about the problem of Chinese and jihadists who are here, People's Liberation Army soldiers in some case, people who may be willing to inflict violent forms of jihad on us in service of Sharia. What are we doing about them? Very important question to Mark Krakowian. Rod. D. Martin, Chairman of The Board, Institute for The American Future I examined with the fascinating Rod Martin, what some are considering to be the fratricide of the conservative movement, the manga, base, the right, over the issue of Israel and the importance of it to not only obviously the Jewish people, but also the importance that should have to all of us who prize freedom and want countries that practice it to thrive and prosper, not to be destroyed as part of an assault on Western civilization more generally. We also talked about Donald Trump's strategy for China, whether it is in fact succeeding in containing and possibly creating conditions that will, like Reagan, result in the placement of our communist enemies on the ash heap of history, which is of particular importance as we discussed comes to China's penetration of and efforts to subvert our own hemisphere The optimal solution clearly is taking down the CCP.

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With Mark Krikorian & Rod. D. Martin is an episode from Securing America with Frank Gaffney Podcast by Secure Freedom Radio with Frank Gaffney.

This episode is 47:39 long.

This episode was published on Nov 21, 2025.

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