Seeing with the Help of a Soul-Optometrist with Sr. Simone Campbell

What would change if you could see with eyes of love—even in the face of cruelty, fear, and disagreement? In this episode, Brian McLaren and co-host Carmen Acevedo Butcher sit down with renowned spiritual leader, legal advocate, and activist Sister Simone Campbell for a deeply honest conversation about love, justice, and compassion. They explore how contemplative practice grounds fierce activism, why listening is an act of love, and what it means to see even your political opponents with empathy. From her role in passing the Affordable Care Act to launching the "Nuns on the Bus" movement, Sister Simone shares moving stories of courage, community, and the Spirit’s surprising guidance—inviting us all into a new way of seeing and being. Resources: You can find a transcript for this episode here. Find Sr Simone Campbell's book Hunger for Hope here.

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Seeing with the Help of a Soul-Optometrist with Sr. Simone Campbell is an episode from Learning How to See with Brian McLaren by Center for Action and Contemplation.

This episode is 47:17 long.

This episode was published on Jun 12, 2025.

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