Learning How to Hold Space for Others with Cindy Lee

How can we de-Westernize spirituality and honor our full humanity within systems that often diminish it? On this episode of Learning How to See, Dr. Cindy Lee, a spiritual director and author, joins hosts Brian McLaren and Carmen Acevedo Butcher for a conversation on de-Westernizing spirituality and holding space for the lived experience of others. Cindy shares how her work with BIPOC communities revealed the limits of Westernized spiritual formation, and how confronting the “Western missionary gaze” can open us to seeing our cultures — and ourselves — with dignity rather than judgment. Resources: Read Howard Thurman's "The Sound of the Genuine" here. Find the transcript of this episode⁠ ⁠here.⁠⁠ Connect with us: Have a question you’d like Brian or Carmen to answer about this season? Send us a voicemail: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠cac.org/voicemail⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Email us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠podcasts@cac.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Learning How to Hold Space for Others with Cindy Lee is an episode from Learning How to See with Brian McLaren by Center for Action and Contemplation.

This episode is 51:36 long.

This episode was published on Dec 4, 2025.

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