470: Lean Startup, Design Thinking, and Culture with Elizabeth Engel and Jamie Notter

Many learning businesses know they need to innovate, but moving faster and experimenting can run headlong into culture and the fear of being wrong. This episode of the Leading Learning Podcast looks at why that happens and what to do about it. Elizabeth Engel and Jamie Notter, co-authors of the white paper “Lean at Ten: Culture Eats Methodology for Lunch,” join co-host Celisa Steele to discuss the core elements of lean startup, the cultural patterns that can undermine using the methodology, and how pairing lean startup with design thinking can help organizations build empathy, surface assumptions, and learn more effectively. Show notes and a downloadable transcript are available at .

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470: Lean Startup, Design Thinking, and Culture with Elizabeth Engel and Jamie Notter is an episode from Leading Learning - The Learning Business Podcast by Tagoras.

This episode is 38:20 long.

This episode was published on Jan 20, 2026.

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