State of the Art of Container Security • Adrian Mouat & Charles Humble

This interview was recorded for GOTO State of the Art in November 2025. Read the full transcription of this interview here: Adrian Mouat - Developer Relations at Chainguard & Author of 'Using Docker' Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant RESOURCES Adrian Charles Links DESCRIPTION In this State of the Art episode, Charles Humble speaks with Adrian Mouat, Developer Relations at Chainguard and author of "Using Docker", about the evolution of container security and the persistent challenge of outdated packages. Adrian explains how traditional Linux distributions weren't designed for the immutable, frequently-replaced nature of containers, leading to security vulnerabilities that scanners detect but teams struggle to address. He discusses how Chainguard tackles this problem by building everything from source using Wolfi, creating minimal "distroless" images with near-zero CVEs, and how concepts like SBOMs, attestations, and defense in depth are reshaping security practices. The conversation also covers major security incidents including the XZ Utils backdoor and Shai-hulud attacks, emphasizing the importance of building from source, using short-lived credentials, and replacing rather than updating containers – practices pioneered by companies like Google that are gradually spreading across the industry. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Adrian Mouat • Using Docker • Liz Rice • Container Security • Liz Rice • Kubernetes Security • Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech

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State of the Art of Container Security • Adrian Mouat & Charles Humble is an episode from GOTO - Today, Tomorrow and the Future by GOTO.

This episode is 39:57 long.

This episode was published on Mar 27, 2026.

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