Beyond the Hype: What AI Actually Can (and Can't) Do • Jodie Burchell & Michelle Frost

This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. Jodie Burchell - Senior Data Science Developer Advocate at JetBrains Michelle Frost - AI Advocate at JetBrains Check out more here: RESOURCES Jodie Michelle Links DESCRIPTION Michelle Frost and Jodie Burchell - both developer advocates at JetBrains — sit down for a candid, wide-ranging conversation about the state of AI. Drawing on Jodie's unusual path from clinical psychology to biostatistics to NLP, and Michelle's background in machine learning fairness and AI ethics consulting, the two offer a measured, research-grounded perspective on generative AI's real capabilities and limitations. They trace historical parallels between today's AI boom and earlier 'AI summers,' unpack the contested definitions of AI and AGI, make the case for why foundational machine learning knowledge still matters, and examine what the evidence actually says about AI's impact on developer productivity. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Mark Coeckelbergh • AI Ethics • Debbie Sue Jancis • AI Ethics • Alex Castrounis • AI for People and Business • Phil Winder • Reinforcement Learning • Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech

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This episode is 29:57 long.

This episode was published on Apr 24, 2026.

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