Can Defense in Depth Work for AI? (with Adam Gleave)

Adam Gleave is co-founder and CEO of FAR.AI. In this cross-post from The Cognitive Revolution Podcast, he joins to discuss post-AGI scenarios and AI safety challenges. The conversation explores his three-tier framework for AI capabilities, gradual disempowerment concerns, defense-in-depth security, and research on training less deceptive models. Topics include timelines, interpretability limitations, scalable oversight techniques, and FAR.AI’s vertically integrated approach spanning technical research, policy advocacy, and field-building. LINKS: Adam Gleave - FAR.AI - The Cognitive Revolution Podcast - PRODUCED BY: CHAPTERS: (00:00) A Positive Post-AGI Vision (10:07) Surviving Gradual Disempowerment (16:34) Defining Powerful AIs (27:02) Solving Continual Learning (35:49) The Just-in-Time Safety Problem (42:14) Can Defense-in-Depth Work? (49:18) Fixing Alignment Problems (58:03) Safer Training Formulas (01:02:24) The Role of Interpretability (01:09:25) FAR.AI's Vertically Integrated Approach (01:14:14) Hiring at FAR.AI (01:16:02) The Future of Governance SOCIAL LINKS: Website: Twitter (FLI): Twitter (Gus): LinkedIn: YouTube: Apple: Spotify:

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Can Defense in Depth Work for AI? (with Adam Gleave) is an episode from Future of Life Institute Podcast by Gus Docker.

This episode is 78:35 long.

This episode was published on Oct 3, 2025.

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