AUDREY TANG: Can we wrangle AI off the techno-fascists (and make it a force for good)?

Audrey Tang (“civic hacker", Taiwan’s Cyber Ambassador-at-Large, polymath) is one of the world’s most influential thinkers and she has a vision for pro-social AI that is exciting leaders around the world. Audrey became Taiwan’s former Digital Minister after she hacked the government to turn around a trade deal with China. The result was so ridiculously effective that, instead of arresting her, they gave her a gig in the government! During her 8-year tenure, she engaged almost half the country in co-creating democratic policies through technology. The upshot? Trust in the government went from 9% to a peak of 91% during the pandemic. I’ve asked Audrey to join us to answer this wild question that burns for many of us: Is it still possible to save AI – and ourselves - from technofascist doom? Which is to ask, can we wrestle AI off the tech bros and turn it all around to make it a force for good? And if so, how? And what would it look like? About Audrey Audrey Tang is an activist hacker and was the first Digital Minister of Taiwan (and the world’s first transgender government minister), instrumental in shaping Taiwan's internationally acclaimed COVID-19 response and in safeguarding the 2024 presidential and legislative elections from foreign cyber interference. She’s been named one of TIME's "100 Most Influential People in AI" (2023), is now Taiwan’s cyber Ambassador-at-large and has just published a book, Plurality: The Future of Collaborative Technology and Democracy Show Notes Here’s the link to Audrey’s short film titled Good Enough Ancestor , and you can read about Civic AI — 6-Pack of Care here . You can get hold of her book Plurality: The Future of Collaborative Technology and Democracy here . --- Watch on YouTube or Substack If you need to know a bit more about me… head to my " about " page For more such conversations,

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AUDREY TANG: Can we wrangle AI off the techno-fascists (and make it a force for good)? is an episode from Wild with Sarah Wilson by Sarah Wilson.

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This episode was published on Apr 21, 2026.

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