159. Karen London, PhD, CAAB, CPDT-KA

“Have fun!” These are words we say fairly often, especially to kids. But do we ever say it to ourselves? Do we ever give ourselves permission to “have fun?” And as we get older and assume more responsibilities, what does it even mean to “have fun?” Do we even remember how? Not to mention, who will take care of all the Stuff That Needs Doing if we leave to “have fun?” My guest today is well aware of all the problems that need to be solved and things that need to be dealt with. And for her, that makes it all the more important to give ourselves time to have fun and enjoy life. Animal behaviorist Dr. Karen London joined me today to chat about the importance of having fun, combatting compassion fatigue, and the strange ways of social insects. Don’t miss it! Full show notes at

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159. Karen London, PhD, CAAB, CPDT-KA is an episode from UNLEASHED (at work & home) with Colleen Pelar by Colleen Pelar.

This episode is 38:21 long.

This episode was published on Mar 24, 2026.

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