441. The Fight Over AI Use in Mental Healthcare (ft. Ciara Keegan, Ilana Marcucci-Morris)

We chat with Ciara Keegan and Ilana Marcucci-Morris from the National Union of Healthcare Workers about their ongoing contract dispute with Kaiser Permamente over the use and role of AI in healthcare, especially mental and behavioural health. We discuss the impacts of AI on labor conditions and patient care in giant hospital systems like Kaiser — plus the ways Kaiser wants to leave the door open for deeper integration of AI and replacement of healthcare providers. ••• Kaiser, Don't Deny | NUHW ••• Will AI Replace Your Therapist? Kaiser Won’t Say No ••• Therapists went on a hunger strike to protest 'assembly line' conditions and the automation of mental healthcare Standing Plugs: ••• Order Jathan’s book: •••

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441. The Fight Over AI Use in Mental Healthcare (ft. Ciara Keegan, Ilana Marcucci-Morris) is an episode from This Machine Kills by This Machine Kills.

This episode is 01:09:46 long.

This episode was published on Jan 21, 2026.

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