"Drillers are killers (they just don't realise they are killing themselves!)" a conversation with Bren Veziroglu

I had a fascinating conversation with Bren Veziroglu about ecological dynamics and how it's transforming coaching and movement practice. Bren's journey from a self-described "skinny, unathletic" teen to becoming an influential voice in movement education reveals powerful insights about skill development and learning. Three key takeaways from our conversation: Traditional drilling approaches develop technique but not true skill. By understanding that skill emerges from the dynamic interaction between the person and their environment, we can design more effective practice methods. The ecological approach creates more joy and engagement in learning, making practice not only more effective but inherently rewarding. When activities are task-led rather than drill-led, both coaches and athletes experience more flow. Developing physiological capabilities is important, but these should be built through functional movements aligned with the actual demands of the activity, rather than isolated exercises with questionable transfer. To continue exploring these ideas with like-minded coaches and practitioners, join my learning group 'The Guild of Ecological Explorers' by heading to and clicking the 'join a learning group' button. Become a supporter of this podcast: . Ready to explore these ideas further? Join The Guild of Ecological Explorers – a community of practitioners committed to deepening their understanding of ecological dynamics and constraints-led approaches. Head to and click the 'Join a Learning Group' button to become part of this transformative conversation

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"Drillers are killers (they just don't realise they are killing themselves!)" a conversation with Bren Veziroglu is an episode from The Talent Equation Podcast by Stuart Armstrong.

This episode is 96:22 long.

This episode was published on Apr 18, 2025.

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