138: Embracing Therapeutic Complexity: Interview with Patricia Gianotti, Psy.D.

Episode 138: In today's episode of the Social Work Podcast, I speak with Dr. Patricia Gianotti, author of the book, Embracing Therapeutic Complexity, and Academic Director of The Institute for Advanced Psychotherapy at Loyola University Chicago. Patricia and I speak about the neurobiology of shame, why depth work is important, and how to think about human complexity in a therapeutic context. She emphasizes the impact of attachment failures on a person's sense of self and the role of shame in therapy. She explains the concept of loyalty contracts and how they shape individuals' beliefs and behaviors. She underscores the power of psychodynamic techniques in uncovering and addressing these dynamics. Throughout the conversation, she highlights the hope and resilience that can be found in therapy. You can read a transcript of today's interview at You can connect with other social workers at the Social Work Podcast Facebook page at or follow the Twitter feed at

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138: Embracing Therapeutic Complexity: Interview with Patricia Gianotti, Psy.D. is an episode from The Social Work Podcast by Jonathan B. Singer, Ph.D., LCSW.

This episode is 41:17 long.

This episode was published on Jun 6, 2024.

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