Ep. 329 - Security Awareness Series - Mistakes, AI and Empathy: Being a Powerful Leader with Michelle Li

Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Michelle Li. Chris and Michelle delve into the transformative role of AI in social engineering, highlighting both its potential and pitfalls. Their conversation emphasizes the critical need for empathy in leadership and the importance of maintaining human-centric processes in an increasingly automated world. [Nov 17, 2025] 00:00 - Intro 00:27 - Intro Links: - Social-Engineer.com - - Offensive Security Vishing Services - - Offensive Security SMiShing Services - - Offensive Security Phishing Services - - Call Back Phishing - - Adversarial Simulation Services - - Social Engineering Risk Assessments - - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - - CLUTCH - - innocentlivesfoundation.org - 02:34 - Michelle Li Intro 03:14 - A Roundabout Journey 05:40 - The Importance of Legacy 07:26 - Using AI Honorably 10:00 - The Effects of AI on Social Engineering 11:52 - AI for Protection 13:47 - Still About the Human Role 14:49 - Masterclass Ad 16:27 - Origins of FASE 20:01 - Reflection of Self 25:52 - The Role of Core Principles 30:15 - New Kid in Town 34:08 - Find Michelle Li Online - LinkedIn: - Website: 34:47 - Book Recommendations - Blink - Malcolm Gladwell - The Book of Forgiving - Desmond Tutu 36:11 - Mentors 38:52 - Wrap Up & Outro - -

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Ep. 329 - Security Awareness Series - Mistakes, AI and Empathy: Being a Powerful Leader with Michelle Li is an episode from The Social-Engineer Podcast by Christopher Hadnagy.

This episode is 39:54 long.

This episode was published on Nov 17, 2025.

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