The RunOut #164: Strong and Soft with Margo Hayes

Margo Hayes is a professional climber, model, musician, and artist — and she’s best known as the first woman to climb 5.15a, a grade she reached not just once, but three times: La Rambla, Biographie, and Papichulo. In recent years, a battle with Lyme disease has made climbing at her limit difficult, and she’s channeled her energy into art, music, and writing. Her new book,  The Margo Method , outlines her approach to climbing and health. But first, we pore over the details of a very interesting, precedent-setting case involving a manslaughter conviction after a winter mountaineering ascent turns tragic.  Our final bit is a San Diego rock band called Half Hour Late, with their song Ain’t Nothing New. Show Notes Follow Margo Hayes:  “The Margo Method: Strong and Soft”:  Margo’s music: “Notes To You”:  Austrian Man Found Guilty in Girlfriend’s Death on Mountain Hike:  Follow Half Hour Late:  The new Free Wall Kit from Patagonia This episode is sponsored by our friends at Patagonia. The new Free Wall Kit is a six piece kit designed to help you perform, rest, and recover on multi-pitch climbs. Check out the full kit here:

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The RunOut #164: Strong and Soft with Margo Hayes is an episode from The RunOut Podcast by Andrew Bisharat & Chris Kalous.

This episode is 1:28:52 long.

This episode was published on Mar 17, 2026.

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