The Handyman of High Art: Tom Sachs On Why Creativity Is The Enemy, Why Talent Is Overrated, & The Disciplines That Define A Life

Tom Sachs is a contemporary artist and cultural provocateur known for turning branded consumer objects into high art. This conversation explores the paradoxes that define Tom's art and his iconoclastic philosophy of living; why creativity is the enemy, the power of sympathetic magic, consumerism as secular religion, the infamous Barney's nativity scene that launched his career, and why persistence — not talent — is omnipotent. And in doing so, Tom dismantles the intransigent myth that artists are a different species and makes a compelling case that we're all creative beings irrespective of what we do for a living. Tom is equal parts Werner Herzog and blue-collar craftsman. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today's Sponsors: Rivian: Electric vehicles that keep the world adventurous forever👉🏼 Seed: Use code RICHROLL25 for 25% OFF your first order👉🏼 BetterHelp: Get 10% OFF the first month👉🏼 Airbnb: Your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at👉🏼 Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors👉🏼 Find out more about Voicing Change Media at and

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The Handyman of High Art: Tom Sachs On Why Creativity Is The Enemy, Why Talent Is Overrated, & The Disciplines That Define A Life is an episode from The Rich Roll Podcast by Rich Roll.

This episode is 106:52 long.

This episode was published on Mar 2, 2026.

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