S8 E1: The Inner and Outer Work of Inclusion with Carolyn Lawrence & Jennifer Laidlaw

Season 8 kicks off with a timely conversation on what it takes to lead in today’s high-pressure environment. Bart sits down with Carolyn Lawrence, founder of ClearPath and former Global Head of DEI at Deloitte, and Jennifer Laidlaw, founder of Cre8 Coaching, to explore the growing pressure leaders are facing today, particularly those from diverse backgrounds. As expectations rise and roles continue to expand, many leaders are feeling the weight of increased responsibility and scrutiny, often without clear support on how to navigate it. Carolyn shares what she’s learned from years of working inside organizations on how to embed inclusion into the way businesses actually operate, not just as programs, but as systems that drive performance. Jennifer brings the complementary perspective of the “inner game,” helping leaders understand how their state of mind shapes how they show up, make decisions, and sustain energy over time. Together, they offer a practical and honest look at how to navigate these pressures, with clear ideas leaders can apply right away to better support themselves, their teams, and the systems they’re part of. Show Notes 00:23 Show intro 01:01 Welcoming Carolyn and Jennifer 02:01 The idea for this episode 03:22 How Jennifer and Carolyn partnered 03:57 Carolyn’s passion for equity and inclusion 04:12 Women of Influence organization 04:47 Leading Deloitte’s DEI efforts 05:18 Systematizing DEI 05:48 Avoiding backlash 07:04 Jennifer’s background 07:35 The 30% Club in Canada 08:01 The inner game 08:49 How Carolyn and Jennifer work together 09:13 Combining the inner and systemic revolution 09:59 Responding to the shift away from DEI 10:45 Why many DEI programs faltered 12:15 Getting the tactics wrong 13:26 What leaders are experiencing today 17:14 The pressure of rising to the top 17:48 Example of an executive navigating these challenges 20:04 Addressing inclusion challenges in a constructive way 22:20 Advice for leaders feeling this pressure 23:23 Mindfulness 25:32 How mindfulness helps 26:24 Reality vs the stories we tell ourselves 26:57 Staying grounded in high-pressure environments 28:11 Returning to the present moment 29:47 Working on yourself vs the system 30:21 Three ways to improve organizational systems 31:13 Ask 31:54 Articulate 33:51 Accountability 34:11 Defining visible metrics 34:52 Measuring inclusion 37:22 What success looks like personally 38:09 Getting into flow 40:41 Final advice 42:23 Thank yous 42:42 Outro

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This episode was published on Mar 24, 2026.

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