710: Iran, Immigration, & the Trouble with Certainty with Carrie McKean

The U.S. launched a military strike on Iran and President Trump is framing it in moral terms. Phil, Kaitlyn, and Katelyn Beaty discuss the administration's shifting justifications for war, and why Christians should be cautious of language that makes it easier to dehumanize enemies. Then, they turn to the mass shooting in Austin and the predictable scramble to turn tragedy into political leverage. Kaitlyn interviews Carrie McKean about why distrust in public health and debates over immigration are often more complicated than our partisan categories allow. Also this week, don't take selfies with snow leopards. Holy Post Plus: Carrie McKean Bonus Interview on Covid: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:20 - Theme Song 3:42 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 4:44 - Sponsor - World Relief - Start a monthly partnership with World Relief to help families in crisis at 5:55 - Snow Leopards 10:50 - War with Iran 17:36 - Shooting in Texas 33:16 - Wanting to Help 49:40 - Sponsor - Public Good Generation - In high school and looking to lead in faith? Check out this Summer Civics Program in Washington DC: 50:52 - Sponsor - Poncho - If you've been looking for the perfect shirt—something breathable, fits great, feels even better, and stands out in a good way—give Poncho a try. Get $10 off and free shipping your first order by using this link: 52:03 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 53:10 - Interview 54:25 - Accidentally Writing for New York Times 59:56 - Anti-Vax and Eroding Trust 1:07:40 - Coming Here Legally… Not Simple 1:12:40 - A Trump Supporter Caring for Immigrants 1:25:20 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Don't Take Selfies with Leopards! Ballerina Farm: Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

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710: Iran, Immigration, & the Trouble with Certainty with Carrie McKean is an episode from The Holy Post by Phil Vischer.

This episode is 01:25:54 long.

This episode was published on Mar 4, 2026.

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