‘Before Psychology’ on a Bike: Through Fear, Flow, and Aliveness

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates “Before Psychology” — the secret source that exponentially increases peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation. “You Can’t Train Flow — You Can Only Stop Interrupting It” 🧭 Episode Summary In this special episode, the tables turn — Piers becomes the guest. Joined by friend and regular contributor Craig Willman, he explores what happens when the principles of Quality of Mind are taken out of the conversation room and onto the road — quite literally. After saying yes to a 750km cycling challenge from Milan to Rome, Piers explores with his years of understanding “Before Psychology,” how the mind can still weave its illusions — of fear, striving, and self-doubt. What unfolds is a personal, honest and often funny exploration of how the illusion of self, the myth of control, and the nature of flow play out in real life. If this conversation sparked something in you — whether you’re a leader, a creator, or simply someone curious about what’s before the mind — explore more at qualityofmind.biz . And if you’d like to support the Ride25 fundraising for 1MoreChild, visit the link 🧭 What you’ll hear A personal story of saying “yes” to a challenge for aliveness, not ego. How the Quality of Mind realization of Real but Never True applies when your legs burn or a descent feels scary. Why experts “see” fewer hazards—and how that translates to leadership. What flow actually feels like on the bike and a simple, everyday way to notice what doesn’t come and go—without a bike or Italy 🚲 If you’re a cyclist (new to Quality of Mind) You’ll get: A relatable breakdown of the mental side of riding: climbs, descents, headwinds, skills. How perception (your “aperture”) can make a hill look steeper—or simpler—without changing your fitness. A practical pointer to find more calm and flow on rides and in life, with no hacks or rituals. 🧠 If you’re a Quality of Mind regular You’ll hear: Lived examples of Before Psychology in a “physical” domain. Subtle ego re-appearances (“managing the cyclist” vs training the body). Oneness & flow as non-identification, not state chasing. How the ego subtly reappears as the voice of “trying your hardest.” What “real but never true” means when your legs are burning on a climb. Why flow can’t be trained — only revealed by stopping interference. How the same insight that transforms leadership also transforms cycling. And why aliveness doesn’t come from comfort or discomfort — but from seeing what’s truly before both. It’s a personal glimpse behind the mic — a lived demonstration of what “Before Psychology” looks like when rubber meets the road. And if you’d like to support the Ride25 fundraising for 1MoreChild, visit the link Explore more Quality of Mind resources: – Find all things Quality of Mind Video: Why Do We Describe Quality of Mind as Before Psychology? — clear short intro Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here Follow Piers on LinkedIn for regular posts and reflections

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‘Before Psychology’ on a Bike: Through Fear, Flow, and Aliveness is an episode from Quality of Mind-Transforming Business by Piers Thurston Making Change Work.

This episode is 51:03 long.

This episode was published on Oct 26, 2025.

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