459 Wandering Into Saam- History, Premodern Medicine & The Power of Four Needles • Philip Suger & Michael Brown

What makes a system feel trustworthy—results, lineage, or the way it brings you into the resonance of what’s happening? Philip Suger didn’t start with Saam acupuncture. He was in Beijing in 2010, following a thread that led him to Wang Ju-Yi and channel palpation—hands on the body, feeling where things change and where they resolve. Later, back in the States, he found himself working with patients who improved but those changes were not lasting. That got him began circling back to a method he’d once dismissed: four needles, arranged through a set of relationships rather than point functions. It didn’t make a lot of sense. But people were reporting results. After some study with Toby Daly he got more curious, and that sent him searching for information in Chinese. Michael Brown, has a keen interest in tracking down old texts and translating them for the world English speaking acupuncturists. Together, they have spent the past few years working on a translation of a book that traces the history of Saam, some of the luminary practitioners along the way, and the way these pre-modern doctors used the Four-Needles. There’s been more than a little development of the Saam method since that legendary monk had his cultivated insights into medicine. One thing for sure, four needles with the right diagnosis, it can make a big difference for our patients.

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459 Wandering Into Saam- History, Premodern Medicine & The Power of Four Needles • Philip Suger & Michael Brown is an episode from Qiological Podcast by Michael Max.

This episode is 01:21:41 long.

This episode was published on May 5, 2026.

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