Pluto (Harbor) on the fate of DeFi after KelpDAO (EP.717)

Pluto is a veteran of DeFi and cross chain systems, with prior stints at Thorchain and Airswap, now building Harbor , a native asset DEX. In this episode, we talk about the KelpDAO exploit and how DeFi can regain people's trust. Nic sits down with him to discuss: What exactly happened with the KelpDAO/ Aave hack? Will new AI models make hackers more proficient? Is advanced AI a defensive or offensive technology for smart contracts? Why protocol exposures are often not on chain Why DeFi might want to segregate execution from settlement Is it possible to have instant settlement and proactive monitoring Do we have anything to learn from DeFi What could Aave have done different? Where did LayerZero go wrong? Can DeFi work if there are occasional freezes and seizures? Pluto's reflections on Thorchain What Thorchain did right Arbitrum's questionable precedent What Pluto is building with Harbor Where does DeFi go from here? Learn more about Harbor and follow Pluto on X

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Pluto (Harbor) on the fate of DeFi after KelpDAO (EP.717) is an episode from On The Brink with Castle Island by Castle Island Ventures.

This episode is 35:41 long.

This episode was published on Apr 27, 2026.

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