Trump’s Obsession with Retribution with Jonathan Karl

ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl has spent nearly a decade chronicling Trump–and being attacked by him. Trump has called him "a third-rate reporter," "a real scumbag," and worse. But he also keeps picking up Karl's calls. Karl joins Katie to talk about his new book Retribution: Donald Trump and the Campaign That Changed America and shares sharp, insider insight into Trump's fixation on revenge, his loyalty-first Cabinet, and how his second term has reshaped the presidency… and the country.

You can listen to Trump’s Obsession with Retribution with Jonathan Karl online on Radio and Podcast. Open the player on this page to stream the available audio.

Trump’s Obsession with Retribution with Jonathan Karl is an episode from Next Question with Katie Couric by iHeartPodcasts.

This episode is 57:12 long.

This episode was published on Nov 6, 2025.

Yes. Use the heart button on the episode page to add it to your favorite episodes list.

Yes. This page shows related episodes from Next Question with Katie Couric when more episodes are available from the podcast feed.