How Apple became Apple

On today’s episode, cohosts Kristin Toussaint and Josh Christensen discuss the latest news in business and innovation, including the latest on the war in Iran, layoffs at Oracle, and shutting down Sora. Next, Josh and Kristin talk with Fast Company global technology editor Harry McCracken about what he found out when he collected an oral history of Apple’s earliest days. And finally, Kristin speaks with Inequality Media cofounder Robert Reich and executive director of Inequality Media Heather Kinlaw Lofthouse on their organization and how the team educates a broad range of audiences about power imbalance and civic issues in the United States today. To read about Apple’s early days, go to For more of the latest business and innovation news, go to fastcompany.com/news

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How Apple became Apple is an episode from Most Innovative Companies by Mansueto Ventures.

This episode is 80:08 long.

This episode was published on Apr 2, 2026.

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