Episode 5: Reimagining Healing - How Psychedelics, Science of Song & Policy Are Reshaping Care Tania de Jong AM

For this episode, Dr. Joe Tafur and Natasha Pentin spoke with Tania de Jong AM, an award-winning social entrepreneur, acclaimed soprano, inspirational speaker and storyteller, creative alchemist, philanthropist and spiritual journey woman. Many of our listeners wanted to learn more about the power of music for healing and the neuroscience of singing together, so in this episode we explore all of that – as well as the rescheduling of psychedelic medicines in Australia, building an ecosystem for accessible and affordable treatment, how therapists become authorized prescribers, and what other countries can learn from this pioneering approach. Tania was appointed a Member of the Order of Australia, and has also been named in the 100 Women of Influence, 100 Most Influential Entrepreneurs in Australia, and 100 Most Influential People in Psychedelics globally. She has developed six businesses and four charities including: Creative Universe, Creativity Australia and the With One Voice program, Creative Innovation Global, Mind Medicine Australia, Umbrella Foundation and Driftwood The Musical, Pot-Pourri and The Song Room. Thanks for listening! If you’d like to support the nonprofit Modern Spirit and our podcast, you can make a donation HERE . There, you can also access links to Dr. Tafur’s newsletter and Patreon. More information about Tania: Her website & Instagram Her TED talk - How Singing Together Changes The Brain Learn more about Mind Medicine Australia , Pot-Pourri group and Creativity Australia’s With One Voice programs (alleviating loneliness, depression and social isolation). A Keynote video Listen to her music here (you can hear Circle of Life 30 mins in and Don’t Go Back to Sleep at 33 mins - both from The Breezes at Dawn album). Her Spotify playlist for psychedelics NEW SINGLE: Walking Each Other Home – Inspired by Ram Dass and Our Shared Human Journey. Access full music video or download for free . Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction to Tania de Jong AM (03:25) Tania's Journey into Psychedelics (06:52) Life-Changing Experiences with Psilocybin (08:19) Founding a Charity for Psychedelic Treatments (09:34) Australia Becomes First Country in the World to Reschedule Psilocybin and MDMA (12:10) Communicating Through Skepticism & Taboo (17:59) Training Therapists for Psychedelic Therapy (22:32) How Psychedelic Treatments Currently Work in Australia (25:27) Costs, Funding, Insurance & Access to Treatments (29:21) The Power of Music in Healing (33:44) Ethics and Overmedication in the Modern World (37:29) Healing Together Through Voice, Community & Reciprocity (41:07) The Neuroscience of Singing Together (43:49) Music and Visionary Experiences (47:23) Integrating Music into Healing Practices (51:07) Upcoming Projects and Final Thoughts

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Episode 5: Reimagining Healing - How Psychedelics, Science of Song & Policy Are Reshaping Care Tania de Jong AM is an episode from Modern Spirit Podcast by Joe Tafur.

This episode is 54:50 long.

This episode was published on Jan 9, 2026.

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