Reforming, Rebuilding, Reimagining: Our American Future with Donna Shalala and Norm Ornstein

Host James-Christian Blockwood is joined this week by former U.S. Rep. and Secretary of Health and Human Services Donna Shalala and Norm Ornstein, emeritus scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. Our guests will take a long look at how government is functioning now at the local, state and particularly federal level so that they can make some bold predictions about the future. The next 250 years of American government will require reform, rebuilding and in particular reimagining how to best serve the public. Management Matters is a presentation of the National Academy of Public Administration produced by Lizzie Alwan and Matt Hampton and edited by Matt Hampton. Support the Podcast Today at: donate@napawash.org or 202-347-3190 Episode music: Hope by Mixaund | Music promoted by

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Reforming, Rebuilding, Reimagining: Our American Future with Donna Shalala and Norm Ornstein is an episode from Management Matters Podcast by National Academy of Public Administration.

This episode is 32:58 long.

This episode was published on Feb 9, 2026.

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