Interview Episode: Clare Heath-McIvor

Clare Heath-McIvor is the daughter of the leader of the City Builders Church, an organisation that she and others who know it feel confident fits the definition of a cult. Her marriage was arranged within the church to Patrick McIvor, a man who had survived gay conversion therapy. Since leaving, the now-happily-separated pair have become involved in a number of social justice issues, including the current Victorian Parliamentary Inquiry into the recruitment methods and impacts of cults and organised fringe groups , and Patrick's work was crucial to the ban on conversion therapy practices in Victoria. Links: Inquiry into the recruitment methods and impacts of cults and organised fringe groups — Parliament of Victoria, open for submissions until 31 July 2025 and due to deliver findings in September 2026 Clare Heath-McIvor's Linktree with her Substack , TikTok , Twitter and more Unchurchable podcast Caring church or crazy cult? The extreme religion praying for power — 60 Minutes Australia, 20 November 2022 Victorian Cult Survivors Network — Facebook group You can support us on Patreon . Sarah Steel's book Do As I Say is available on audiobook . If you have been personally affected by involvement in a cult, or would like to support those who have been, you can find support with or donate to Cult Information and Family Support if you’re in Australia (via ), and you can find resources outside of Australia with the International Cultic Studies Association (via ). Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Interview Episode: Clare Heath-McIvor is an episode from Let's Talk About Sects by Sarah Steel.

This episode is 1:23:34 long.

This episode was published on Jul 1, 2025.

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