Leaving MAGA Behind (w/ Pedro L. Gonzalez)

When people break with MAGA, most of them walk away and don't look back, whether out of shame or fear or both. So it's a rare thing to talk with someone willing to describe publicly why they joined the Trump movement, what life was like on the inside, and the reasons they left — but it's just such a conversation we have for you today, with writer and former New Right firebrand Pedro L. Gonzalez. Enjoy. Sources: Pedro L. Gonzalez, " The Right Lost the Culture War, and America ," Contra , Feb 16, 2026 — " Trump Demands the Worst of Us ," Contra , Feb 8, 2026 — " Why the New Right Can’t Quit Conspiracy Theories ," Contra , Dec 18, 2025 — " Welcome to Hell ," Contra , Dec 10, 2025 — " Gen Z’s Flight From Trump ," Contra , July 24, 2025 James Burnham, The Machiavellians , (1943) Sam Francis, Beautiful Losers , (1993) Michael Anton, " The Flight 93 Election ," Claremont Review of Books , Sept 5, 2017. Matthew Boyle, " Rising Conservative Influencer Pedro Gonzalez Regularly Espoused Racist and Anti-Semitic Sentiments in Private Messages ," Breitbart , June 27, 2023 ...and don't forget to

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Leaving MAGA Behind (w/ Pedro L. Gonzalez) is an episode from Know Your Enemy by Matthew Sitman.

This episode is 01:19:49 long.

This episode was published on Feb 23, 2026.

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