A Real Conversation With Gov. Josh Shapiro

Van and Rachel welcome Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro to discuss his memoir, ‘Where We Keep the Light,’ working across the aisle in the MAGA age, and community policing. Plus, addressing the rise in anti-semitism and approaching division on the Israel-Gaza conflict. (0:00) Intro (03:32) ‘Where We Keep the Light’ (08:58) Are we better than this? (16:22) Crime and policing (29:37) An NBA tangent (32:26) Relationship with Meek Mill (38:07) “Too bad a Jew can’t be president” (46:03) Israel and the war in Gaza Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Gov. Josh Shapiro Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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A Real Conversation With Gov. Josh Shapiro is an episode from Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay by The Ringer.

This episode is 66:57 long.

This episode was published on Mar 14, 2026.

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