What a $42B Software Co. Really Spends on AI Tools

“I don't worry about being replaced by AI. I worry about being replaced by someone who's really good at using AI.” Atlassian has 10,000+ engineers currently split-testing the world’s top AI coding tools, from GitHub Copilot and Cursor to Claude Code. In this episode, Co-Founder & CEO Mike Cannon-Brookes joins Lukas Biewald to share what their data reveals about the world's best AI tools today. Hear how 24 years of building a tech giant and a massive internal study on AI productivity have shaped Mike's vision for the future of dev jobs. Connect with us here: Mike Cannon-Brookes: Atlassian: Lukas Biewald: Weights & Biases: 00:00 Trailer 01:08 Introduction 03:11 Connecting Technology and Business Teams 07:22 The Impact of AI on Business Workflows 13:26 Developer Productivity and AI 21:03 Measuring Developer Efficiency 25:41 Future of AI in Development 34:59 Legacy Technology and Code Changes 39:29 AI's Role in Developer Productivity 47:40 AI and Junior Developers 52:30 Product-Led Growth and Business Strategy 01:00:29 Core Metrics for Sustainable Growth 01:06:56 Staying Creative in the Tech Industry

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What a $42B Software Co. Really Spends on AI Tools is an episode from Gradient Dissent by Lukas Biewald.

This episode is 01:07:46 long.

This episode was published on Jan 20, 2026.

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