Could AI End Human QA?

Bret is joined by Andrew Tunall, the President and Chief Product Officer at Embrace, to discuss his prediction that we’ll all start shipping non-QA'd code (buggier code in production) and QA will need to be replaced with better observability. 🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched! It's a training + community + mentorship program for engineers wanting to learn the latest CI/CD automation and dive into Agentic DevOps. Meetups are happening now, with new course videos dropping every few weeks. Join the Guild and become your team's leader in AI for infrastructure automation 🍾 If AI causes us to ship more code, we’ll need more testing and QA. It’s unlikely that orgs will want to add staff just so they can use AI, so what’s the solution? Would we start relying more on production observability to detect code issues that affect user experience? Embrace is a mobile observability platform company that I first met at KubeCon London this year. Their pitch was that mobile apps were ready for the full observability stack and that we now have SDKs to let mobile dev teams integrate with the same tools that we platform engineers and DevOps people and operators have been building and enjoying for years now. I wanted to hear from observability experts on how they think this is all going to shake out. ★Show Links★ Embrace website Embrace GitHub repository Embrace docs Check out the video podcast version here: Creators & Guests Cristi Cotovan - Editor Bret Fisher - Host Beth Fisher - Producer Andrew Tunall - Guest You can also support this podcast by subscribing to my YouTube channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news ! Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses . Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord . Grab some merch at Bret's Loot Box Homepage bretfisher.com (00:00) - Intro (03:00) - AI in QA and Software Development (07:25) - Challenges and Cultural Shifts in AI-Driven Development (20:07) - Real-World Examples and Observations (26:41) - Future of AI in Software Engineering (27:29) - Building Reliable Software (28:19) - Tools and Strategies for Measuring Reliability (29:19) - Importance of Observability (36:32) - Enhancing Mobile App Observability (43:21) - Changing Behaviors in Observability

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Could AI End Human QA? is an episode from DevOps and Docker Talk by Bret Fisher.

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This episode was published on Jul 29, 2025.

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