AI at War: American Journalist Shane Harris on AI, Mass Surveillance and Cyberwarfare

The Anthropic-case shows how interlinked tech companies and intelligence agencies are. With national security journalist Shane Harris we explore mass surveillance, cyberwarfare and the shifting balance of power in a changing world order. Tech company Anthropic (known for chatbot Claude) made headlines because they refuse to allow their AI models to be used by the Pentagon for mass surveillance of American citizens and autonomous weapons systems. OpenAI, led by Sam Altman, has no problem with that and is supplying the technology to the U.S. government that Anthropic (for now) refused. Meanwhile Anthropic has been sanctioned by Donald Trump. Tech moguls have become essential partners in national security. With American journalist Shane Harris, we ask what role technology companies play in the modern security apparatus. How is cyberwarfare reshaping the global balance of power? And what are the implications for privacy, civil rights and democratic governance in the years ahead? About Shane Harris Shane Harris is a staff writer at The Atlantic . He has written about intelligence, security, and foreign policy for more than two decades. Previously, he was a staff writer for The Washington Post, where he was part of the team that won the 2022 Pulitzer Prize for Public Service for coverage of the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol. For his work as a writer, podcaster, and filmmaker, he has received the James Beard Media Award, the Gerald R. Ford Prize, the George Polk Award, and an Emmy nomination. He is the author of two books, The Watchers and @War. Programme editor: Senna Felius Moderator: Yoeri Albrecht Made possible by: Vfonds Zie het privacybeleid op en de privacyverklaring van Californië op .

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This episode was published on Apr 24, 2026.

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