251 - Deep Listening (feat. Zina Saro-Wiwa)

Cymene and Dominic lament what is happening in Iran and explore what kinds of dogs they would be on this episode of the podcast. Then (15:47) we welcome to the podcast the amazing multitalented multimedia artist Zina Saro-Wiwa to talk about her work. We begin with her father Ken Saro-Wiwa's courageous activism on behalf of the Ogoni people and tragic death at the hands of Nigeria's Abacha dictatorship. We then talk about her career in journalism and how coming to terms with the past eventually propelled her toward art. We turn from there to her creative practice. Zina explains to us what she means by "deep listening", why she finds Ogoni traditions of masquerade so generative to create with and how art is an angel with many eyes. We close talking about what it takes to hear the voice of oil and the many projects Zina has now collected under the mantle of her new Mangrove Arts Foundation. Check out Zina/SIRA*'s new album Songs for the End of the World here (a taste of it can also be found in this episode's outro music). And if finances allow, please consider making a donation or contributing to a Go Fund Me campaign to help Zina to create a museum in honor of her father's life and creativity. We just did! Hang in there, everyone, peace and love.

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251 - Deep Listening (feat. Zina Saro-Wiwa) is an episode from Cultures of Energy by Dominic Boyer.

This episode is 01:15:32 long.

This episode was published on Mar 22, 2026.

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