193. Roy Moran – Having the Right Attitude When Helping Others with DMM

Introduction In this final episode with Roy Moran from his time with us in the Dandenong Ranges (Melbourne, 2025), we explore how to help local churches embrace Disciple Making Movements (DMM). Roy challenges our posture—calling us to humility, service, and a true Kingdom heart as we seek to empower others rather than bring ready-made solutions. Managing the Tension Between Traditional Church and DMM Come with humility, not superiority Don’t approach as someone who has “figured it out.” Come with questions, not answers (e.g. “What do you dream for in this community?” ) Discover what drives people before offering anything. Discern shared vision If there’s no shared goal, it’s okay to move on. Most church leaders are not ill-intentioned—they genuinely want God’s Kingdom to come but often feel constrained by existing systems. Asking them to change everything can feel like asking them to “commit suicide” within their context—so empathy is essential. Start Personally, Not Institutionally Infusion of innovation diagram Don’t wait for permission or structures—begin disciple-making in your own life. Reach out to the lost, experiment, and live it out before trying to implement it in a church system. Focus on function over form . Understanding the Innovation Gap Early adopters respond to vision ; the majority responds to story and social proof . Don’t try to replace a church’s “complete system” with your “pieces and parts.” Instead, humbly offer what you have and let it grow. A Posture That Opens Doors Ask: “How can I help?” Avoid pushing solutions until invited. When asked, respond gently as one without all the answers. Plant a garden, don’t force growth Share stories. Offer small, relevant resources. Look for hunger and respond to it. Don’t overwhelm— don’t feed a baby with a firehose! Honour always Affirm the work already done. Never tear down—build up. Creating Space: “Building a Wall” Help churches create separation between traditional structures and DMM efforts. Encourage them to release people to make disciples. Keep things informal and low-key—avoid over-structuring. Start small with a committed group focused on reaching the lost. Strategy: Quiet, Humble, Relational Go under the radar—don’t self-promote. Stay low, honour others, and avoid drawing attention. Under-promise and over-deliver. If people start promoting you—step back. Key Quote “The gap between vision and multiplying reality is closed by one simple thing – people and connection.” Real movement leadership is relational, messy, and slow. It requires vulnerability, patience, and deep investment in people—not just strategies or systems. Final Prayer (Summary) Roy closes by praying for: God’s power beyond our human understanding Fruitfulness and Kingdom multiplication Divine appointments with people ready for transformation Courage to pursue “impossible” Kingdom dreams Humility—even through refining and difficulty A deep awareness of our identity as children of God Final Encouragement As we conclude this series with Roy: Reflect on what you’ve heard across these episodes Ask: How is God speaking to me? What is my response? Take the next step—simply, humbly, and with others.

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193. Roy Moran – Having the Right Attitude When Helping Others with DMM is an episode from Conversations as you Go by Dave Lawton.

This episode is 20:55 long.

This episode was published on Mar 19, 2026.

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