Ella McCay with Richard Lawson

It’s pretty hard being the governor of an unnamed state when you’re a 34-year-old woman with a husband who’s the heir to a local pizza empire and you’ve got a brother who has agoraphobia and your sleazy dad keeps leaving you weird voicemails and Julie Kavner is narrating your entire life story! Wooo, that was a lot. James L. Brooks’ Ella McCay is A LOT. Richard Lawson joins us to chat about this very strange movie that feels like a real outlier at contemporary multiplexes. If anything, Ella McCay is a refreshing throwback. Kind of. Minus a few glaring, mind-boggling missteps. Anyway, join us for a fun conversation about this latest Brooksian offering, and stick around for a very exciting announcement about the expansion of Blank Check Productions!

You can listen to Ella McCay with Richard Lawson online on Radio and Podcast. Open the player on this page to stream the available audio.

Ella McCay with Richard Lawson is an episode from Blank Check with Griffin & David by Blank Check Productions / Talkhouse.

This episode is 125:31 long.

This episode was published on Dec 14, 2025.

Yes. Use the heart button on the episode page to add it to your favorite episodes list.

Yes. This page shows related episodes from Blank Check with Griffin & David when more episodes are available from the podcast feed.